tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post21592631080455166..comments2024-02-20T15:17:48.594+11:00Comments on A.E.Brain: Today's Battles.Zoe Brainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-27619972119761296422009-10-17T00:41:55.405+11:002009-10-17T00:41:55.405+11:00Nicole
"I also vehemently disagree with any r...Nicole<br />"I also vehemently disagree with any religion overseeing a curriculum to be taught to students, and also wonder why the hell parents think they have the right to determine what their children are taught in schools." <br /><br />You're free to disagree. Of course, if you feel that you should have the liberty to do what you want (for instance, get HRT/SRS/etc), you might also concede that other people should be able to do what they want (have some say in which school to send their kids to). One might define "liberty" as "not having to conform to what the neighbors think", and perhaps you'd agree that's a good thing?Laserlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07410066397664711673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-39420022008436811192009-10-13T09:52:00.459+11:002009-10-13T09:52:00.459+11:00RadarGrrl - I'm willing to listen to what Dr Z...RadarGrrl - I'm willing to listen to what Dr Zucker has to say before condemning him. No, it doesn't look good, but it's not impossible that he's abandoning the whole AGP theory in favour of a congenital gender identity.<br /><br />Yes, he calls it "disorder" etc, but that's a relatively minor issue of terminology if it stops him from torturing kids. We'll see. OK, I'm a hopeless optimist. <br /><br />Mercedes - thanks so much for your efforts in Alberta. It's difficult getting a complete picture from this end of the world. I was only in Edmonton a few days, but it seemed to me to be highly anomalous. They were even more right-wing than I was, yet on trans issues, and ONLY on trans issues, far more socially liberal than I'd expected.<br /><br />The "reversion to type" appears to have met some significant grassroots resistance, and not just by those who vote liberal.<br /><br />I think that you and others have had some significant impact there. You're making a difference.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-34140717584691807982009-10-13T09:44:10.204+11:002009-10-13T09:44:10.204+11:00Nicole - How come? Tradition.
If the kid is stron...Nicole - How come? Tradition.<br /><br />If the kid is strongly gendered, if they've been assigned the wrong gender that will be obvious before puberty.<br /><br />IS kid are *still* being surgically assigned the wrong gender. It's not just TS kids who suffer. But increasingly, both TS and IS kids are being listened to.<br /><br />Because it is biological, it doesn't make a great deal of difference whether parental pressure is applied or not. You can rear a child in the wrong gender, but you can't *make* them the wrong gender. It appears to do them no harm to rear them in the wrong gender either, as long as when the signs are obvious that you *do* have it wrong, that you're prepared to backtrack.<br /><br />Some children can function adequately in either gender role. They are bi-gendered. Bi-sexed would be a better term, but that would confuse things too much, that word has already been taken by a completely different concept.<br /><br />I don't see a problem in rearing such bi-sexed children in the sex most in line with their bodies, or most convenient. They won't mind.<br /><br />Those who are strongly cross-gendered though, try forcing them into the wrong sex, and you'll likely as not kill them. Killing them would be kinder, in fact.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-3003592152407821472009-10-13T09:15:25.134+11:002009-10-13T09:15:25.134+11:00How come I wonder its accepted by medical "ex...How come I wonder its accepted by medical "experts" that a wait of 3.7 years is beneficial in determining what gender a child is by asking them (despite any suggestion that they'd be coerced by parents), and that children three times that age who happen to be transsexual aren't afforded that same freedom and being offered HRT at a critical time in their lives?<br /><br />I also vehemently disagree with any religion overseeing a curriculum to be taught to students, and also wonder why the hell parents think they have the right to determine what their children are taught in schools. <br /><br />How will human kind ever advance with these attitudes?Nikola Kovacshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08961407335215785047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-62597422162948163092009-10-13T02:36:50.366+11:002009-10-13T02:36:50.366+11:00Hi Zoe:
You forgot to mention your great comment ...Hi Zoe:<br /><br />You forgot to mention your great comment at <a href="http://noapologies.ca/?p=4493&cpage=1#comment-12233" rel="nofollow">No Apologies</a>. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the odds of anyone on that forum listening to you are approximately zero ... as evidenced by <a href="http://noapologies.ca/?p=4493&cpage=1#comment-12272" rel="nofollow">this attempt</a> to dismiss your reasoning.MgShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183962674882855323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-85648079039939498422009-10-13T02:14:43.625+11:002009-10-13T02:14:43.625+11:00I caught a article off Lynn Conway about the confe...I caught a <a href="http://www.intersexualite.org/Toronto.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> off Lynn Conway about the conference in Toronto. Who's moderating at least two of the discussions? Ken Zucker. Once again, he's been able to get people that matter to listen to him.RadarGrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13473608033848746101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-71673881745259076162009-10-13T00:53:32.070+11:002009-10-13T00:53:32.070+11:00You wrote:
"Odd, since the guy is Lutheran, a...You wrote:<br />"Odd, since the guy is Lutheran, and that never caused a problem."<br /><br />This board is actually not supposed to discriminate based on religion when hiring, but typically does. Lutherans, Anglicans, those who "look" Catholic and have similar traditions get by.<br /><br />"Odder, in that the school isn't a private Catholic school, the local diocese just subcontracts to run it, so they're not allowed to discriminate based on religious dogma."<br /><br />Actually, the diocese doesn't run the board. In Alberta, some are partially subsidized by the Catholic church, and others are fully publicly funded. The Greater St. Albert School District No. idon'tremember27orsomething is the latter, so the diocese doesn't oversee it, the board does. This doesn't stop the diocese from stepping in on issues, though, i.e. the administration of HPV vaccinations.<br /><br />That doesn't quite mean that it's Catholic in name only: it uses a curriculum modified for Catholic schools that is partially overseen by the Church, for example.<br /><br />Also worth noting is that since the Delwin Vriend verdict, it is accepted in the courts across Canada that private schools are also not allowed to discriminate.<br /><br />Some details based on comments others have raised:<br /><br />In Alberta, one must be accredited to be a substitute teacher. Apparently in the US or parts of it, you don't need that kind of degree or investment (?), so people are asking what's the big deal, but in Alberta, subs go through the full process to become teachers.<br /><br />People have been asking, "why not just teach at public schools?" He has in fact been trying, and done a bit of teaching for a public board there. However, his opportunities have been very small since the firing.<br /><br />This is hitting the news as if it were new and "I don't want my kids exposed to that kind of person." In fact, there have been transitioning teachers in Alberta, going back as far as 1988. It is because of these precedents that the Alberta Teacher's Association has trans-inclusive policies for both teachers and students, and has been supporting Jan in this.<br /><br />BTW, there is more significance to the Herald article. Author Naomi Lakritz has seemed to have been opposed to anything trans, making the Herald the one publication in Alberta that remained cold toward us since the GRS delisting. It's very encouraging that she spoke out here.Mercedeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070237425179174793noreply@blogger.com