tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post2701403863531154627..comments2024-02-20T15:17:48.594+11:00Comments on A.E.Brain: Australian Human Rights Commission ProposalZoe Brainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-45471498709936170182008-10-10T21:54:00.000+11:002008-10-10T21:54:00.000+11:00Australia’s history reflects an implacable concern...Australia’s history reflects an implacable concern about the inability of the common law to adequately protect fundamental rights and freedoms.The ACT has now introduced Australia’s first Bill of Rights which came into force on 1 July 2004. For further information on the act and its evolution, see The ACT Human Rights Act: Australia’s first Bill of Rights resource page.The 2001 NSW Bill of Rights Inquiry, 2003 ACT Bill o f Rights Inquiry and the 2005 Victorian Human Rights Consultation committee contribute to a long Australian political tradition of legislative attempts to entrench protection of basic rights and freedoms for all Australian citizens.<BR/>----------------<BR/>Tanyaa<BR/><A HREF="http://www.drivenwide.com" REL="nofollow">Viral Marketing</A>tanyaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13261144506930585292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-78199224262178765052008-10-09T15:40:00.000+11:002008-10-09T15:40:00.000+11:00Why would I be against the ability to choose an op...Why would I be against the ability to choose an option that's not male or female?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-8784223113810183322008-09-30T14:20:00.000+10:002008-09-30T14:20:00.000+10:00Evil as in the opposite of Live - to live. I want ...Evil as in the opposite of Live - to live. I want to live as me, to be me, and not be told what I can live as, who I can be. <BR/><BR/>I suggest that Nathalie be asked what she thinks about this proposal. <BR/><BR/>And you are right, battybattybats - discrimination is embedded in far too many apparati of the state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-23236474319100431882008-09-30T10:56:00.000+10:002008-09-30T10:56:00.000+10:00"Upset is far too mild a word for it. Even "outrag..."Upset is far too mild a word for it. Even "outrage", "disgust" and "appalled" are inadequate. Shall we consider the word "evil" instead?"<BR/><BR/>Evil? <BR/><BR/>Clearly it's offensive in that a word has been used to mean something else than what it has meant when people have been using the original meaning to identify with, this is assuredly insensitive but is it sufficiently unethical to e called evil?<BR/><BR/>What about creating a third sex catagory? Nothing inherantly unethical about that.<BR/><BR/>But propping up a system that exists with the primary role of discrimination? Because that is what sex markers on documentation does. They aren't for access to bathrooms and the like cause those documents aren't checked then. Those documents are checked when getting essential services from the government, when interacting with authorities. And they operate by causing increased difficulty in obtaining or outright denial of essential services when a persons visual appearance does not conform to the sex/gender expectations of the individual in authority.<BR/><BR/>In other words the actual practical real genuine purpose of these markers is to create functional actual discrimination making life more difficult in areas from welfare to health to travel for people who do not conform to expectations of sex/gender.<BR/><BR/>By placing medical requirements on two catagories this proposal goes against the Yogyakarta Principles and is a Human Rights Abuse (though less of one than the current one) the creation of a third catagory is a poor way to fix the problem. If it includes everyone otherwise not covered then it renders the whole system uneccessary, if it does not cover everyone then it entrenches the injustice against those not covered.<BR/><BR/>The first is clumsy and somewhat unethical, the second though would be extremely unethical. And that I think would constitute evil.<BR/><BR/>The best option is to remove the markers alltogether. This will have very little impact on society! It won't remove the social or culturral grouping of male and female after all, it'll just remove those situations where a person has the sex marker on their documentation checked.<BR/><BR/>So the only time it will have any real effect will be to end discrimination against people with the only exception, the only complication I can find is that of keeping straight people away from the opposite sex in the prison system and we could make a single exception there, any legal sex marked documentation system is only truly useful in prisons but that is no reason to push such discrimination on the rest of the population!<BR/><BR/>If these stupid senseless useless discriminatory document markers were removed entirely then Natalie's basic Human Rights problems in this regard would be solved and we could move on to the next issue.<BR/><BR/>It's the simplest, most elegant, most fair and most logical solution.Battybattybatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030389503526882755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-78253716102219243932008-09-30T07:34:00.000+10:002008-09-30T07:34:00.000+10:00Try thinking this through a bit more, Zoe. Think t...Try thinking this through a bit more, Zoe. Think through the alternatives, and the implications of all of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-35740638741340862992008-09-29T19:38:00.000+10:002008-09-29T19:38:00.000+10:00How are we to grant basic human rights to Natalie ...How are we to grant basic human rights to <A HREF="http://efeminate.dreameryonline.com/?page_id=7" REL="nofollow">Natalie</A> then?<BR/><BR/>Goodness knows, her path is hard enough without bureaucratic hassles.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-27423669883900694652008-09-29T17:47:00.000+10:002008-09-29T17:47:00.000+10:00Upset is far too mild a word for it. Even "outrage...Upset is far too mild a word for it. Even "outrage", "disgust" and "appalled" are inadequate. Shall we consider the word "evil" instead?<BR/><BR/>WTF is going on at the Commission?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-69447491200981724662008-09-29T14:39:00.000+10:002008-09-29T14:39:00.000+10:00I can well understand the upset of people in the I...I can well understand the upset of people in the Intersex community at the rather sudden unexpected use and redefinition of the term in this proposal.<BR/><BR/>I have lots of issues with this. It's far from consistent with the Yogyakarta Principles. The requirement for medical treatment while at least no longer leaving out many FtM by not insisting on genital surgery still prevents lots of people from being properly recognised who don't get any medical sex affirmation treatment including for cultural or religious reasons or because of other medical complications. And of course those who don't neatly fit into a binary are either included in Intersex or are left out.<BR/><BR/>I still don't see why removing these markers entirely will cause any substantial and important problems through most of society as aside from keeping straight cis men and women apart in the prison system there seems to be no practical function of any kind whatsoever for these markers except to discriminate against people who do not meet an officials expectations of their sex when they present such a document!Battybattybatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030389503526882755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-9258875344236890532008-09-29T12:32:00.000+10:002008-09-29T12:32:00.000+10:00Correction, third sex. "The definition of ‘sex’ in...Correction, third sex. <BR/><BR/>"The definition of ‘sex’ in the proposed reforms would mean the attribute of male, female or intersex."<BR/><BR/>This is an outrage. I am an intersex female. This proposal of the AHRC tells me they deamand that I be either only female or intersex, not both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-19800932807691583252008-09-29T12:12:00.000+10:002008-09-29T12:12:00.000+10:00Zoe, do you know why the AHRC has decided to appro...Zoe, do you know why the AHRC has decided to appropriate intersex as a third gender that is neither male nor female, and who advised them to do that? Can you imagine the outrage over that appropriation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-61761460428715613602008-09-29T00:30:00.000+10:002008-09-29T00:30:00.000+10:005. Recognition of intersex: persons who cannot or ...<I> 5. Recognition of intersex: persons who cannot or do not identify as either male or female would be able to choose to be identified on their birth certificate and passport as intersex.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I don't see why passports/birth certificates should identify gender at all (or race for that matter, as is done in some jurisdictions). What purpose is served by providing and storing this information? What conclusions and decisions does it inform?Theo Brominehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14078583453130339726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-46116351058209705642008-09-27T15:22:00.000+10:002008-09-27T15:22:00.000+10:00http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApfTF...http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApfTFnOuN.slGKJvZYeOG1nsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20080926214829AAA9lEf<BR/><BR/>Please try Yahoo! Answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com