tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post3828222497104128224..comments2024-02-20T15:17:48.594+11:00Comments on A.E.Brain: Analytic and Synthetic BrainsZoe Brainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-3663474957856436742008-03-19T13:23:00.000+11:002008-03-19T13:23:00.000+11:00actually I think the researchers are getting ahead...actually I think the researchers are getting ahead of themselves a little. Yes, it's great that they can simulate a neuron. But researchers tend to be more aware of the obstacles in their own field and less aware of "other people's problems."<BR/><BR/>For instance, how all those neurons connect up to create something intelligent is not a solved problem. There are complex, subtle structures on many levels.<BR/><BR/>They've figured out how to make bricks, but that doesn't mean we're ready to build New York.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948691309803183782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-81063518402004544202008-03-18T23:39:00.000+11:002008-03-18T23:39:00.000+11:00You left out a possibility if it doesn't work. The...You left out a possibility if it doesn't work. There need not be a soul there only needs to be processes going on that we have no handle on. Possibly something that we won't understand until there another major scientific breakthrough. Future generations need their challenges and I suspect this will be one of them.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-47217578107363398392008-03-18T12:58:00.000+11:002008-03-18T12:58:00.000+11:00Anne O'Namus : that is the biggest ethical issue. ...Anne O'Namus : that is the biggest ethical issue. I think it likely that such an AI *would* have the normal emotions.<BR/><BR/>But fully adult humans don't come into being full-grown, they must evolve from a foetus.<BR/><BR/>The initial state will be a pre-birth infant, and then we have to come up with a way of giving such a child a way to grow up, within an environment that is totally artificial.<BR/><BR/>There are huge ethical issues, and if we're not very careful, we'll make Mengele look saintly.<BR/><BR/>Starting with finding a good dividing line to initiate the process. At what point is a foetus a person? Experimentation like this would point to a clear dividing line for ethical abortion. Or might show that there *is* no such line. We're treading on very dangerous ground here, experimentimg with people, and even children. They just don't look like other people.<BR/><BR/>One of the <A HREF="http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2003/07/cyborgs-hybrots-and-borg-oh-my.html" REL="nofollow">my first blog entries</A> nearly 5 years ago raised ethical concerns about similar issues. As time went by, I called for <A HREF="http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2003/10/ethical-treatment-of-animals.html" REL="nofollow">consideration</A> of those issues ASAP.<BR/><BR/><I>We can plausibly avoid the issue when dealing with a non-organic artificial intelligence with the same external behaviour, but we know Rats think. And the situation regarding fully inorganic artificial intelligence is not as clear-cut as it once was, given the experimentation with Cyborgs and prosthetic brain parts. There is potential for suffering on a scale undreamt-of, and for very much longer than a normal lifespan. Call it Hell on Earth. Conversely, there is the possibility that we might fully understand the nature of thought, and resolve the issues of how we should treat animals. We may even be able to augment ourselves to become, if not Gods, perhaps a little more wise as well as intelligent. Call it Heaven on Earth. </I><BR/><BR/>With this technique, we <B>can't</B> "plausibly avoid the issue" when it comes to non-biological AI.<BR/><BR/>I was thinking in 2003 that we'd have to face such things in the next 10 years. Well, time's running out. It looks like I was accurate in my estimation.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-76252148008423211122008-03-18T11:10:00.000+11:002008-03-18T11:10:00.000+11:00Einstein's brain was sliced and imaged after his d...Einstein's brain was sliced and imaged after his death, so in theory, with a big enough computer we should be able to reinstantiate Einstein.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5573426.post-28185839524184510632008-03-18T11:04:00.000+11:002008-03-18T11:04:00.000+11:00What would the researchers do if their simulated h...What would the researchers do if their simulated human brain realised it was trapped in a machine, became depressed and killed itself? Or would a simulated mind not have emotions? That is one of the things that will be so interesting to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com