Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Most Memorable Comment of the Week

Over at CNN's Legal Blog:
genie April 20th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

No I dont think alan is a threat to society I believe zapata was a threat to society because he was decietful ! so what if alan was a gang member what does that have to do with being mislead by a man posing as a woman. Thats gross !!!


Runners up:
Jason April 19th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

This was a reaction to a disgusting deceit bordering by abomination, arousing a negative passion with almost every normal person.

Tim April 19th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

I am a gay man and I hope that the defendant is not convicted of murder. You cannot deceive people like this and then expect them not to be pissed.

Will Sheldon April 20th, 2009 9:03 am ET

If I meet a woman and that turned out to be a man, that person will be in grave physical danger from me.

John April 20th, 2009 11:14 am ET

I don’t know why society goes along with this form of biological fraud. Gender goes down to DNA level; fiddling with the plumbing doesn’t change it.

Sebaschen Shaw April 20th, 2009 12:22 pm ET

i feel the offender should not be held reponsible for his action all because angie is really justin. He was born a male. It is actually a case of deception, any normal and sane person would of reacted the same way. I wish i was appointed jury duty to this case. I feel this not a hate crime and angie’s family knew she had a sex change because at her age 16 she would have had to have parental permission to proceed such surgical procedure, and they allowed her continue to perform sexual acts with out telling who knows how many men of his real gender. THis IS A CASE OF DECEPTION.

Mike April 20th, 2009 12:49 pm ET

In the case of gender, state of mind does not equal reality. I’d like to see a law protecting individuals who are misled into sexual contact by transgendered individuals. In the case where a person feels that under no circumstance would they ever have sexual contact with a person of the same gender, sexual contact resulting from the misrepresentation of gender should be punishable under law as either sexual assault or rape. Maybe then people like Andrade will have recourse other than their own form of justice


Special Troll award goes to
buster brown April 20th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

The THING got what IT deserved!!! I cannot believe a man is on trial for this.

10 comments:

Battybattybats said...

"Will Sheldon April 20th, 2009 9:03 am ET

If I meet a woman and that turned out to be a man, that person will be in grave physical danger from me."

Isn't that post itself a threat, a hate-crime?

In many plsces it's against the law to issue threats. that there is a threat.

Estelle said...

Society has always depended upon excuse and lies to support evil behavior. If we follow this resoning of Trans-Panic, I guess i could commit any crime and use that excuse. In robbing a bank I became currency-paniced and confused taking larger sums than I should have. And the dead security gaurd that got in the way appeared to me to be Transgender, and well it was just an auto-sexual reaction cused by trans-phobic emotional distress for which all of society has come to understand is a perfectly plausible excuse to perform murder and autrocity. It worked for Hitler, Zapata?, and for me assuming I should get caught in my premeditated activities.

Laserlight said...

Batty, that's not against a specific person, so it's not actionable. "I'd like to shoot our politicians" isn't the same as "I'd like to shoot Senator Payola."

MgS said...

Nice to see so much internalized homophobia being expressed out loud.

RadarGrrl said...

The bastard Andrade's been found guilty. He'll rot in prison for the rest of his life. Good riddance!

jessie-c said...

So. Much. Fail.
I'm glad that the Jury was smarter than these bigots are.

sumptos devil s advocate said...

That was a very quick trial--don't trials usually drag out much longer?

Also, that was very quick sentencing after the verdict--doesn't the sentencing phase usually take a least a few weeks?

Lloyd Flack said...

I suspect that Andrade's refusal to take the stand counted against him in this case, While that is not necessarily evidence against a defendant, if his defence depends on accusing someonne else of wrongdoing then such a refusal could be seen as damaging his credibility.

As for the sentencing I believe life without parole might be mandatory in a case like this.

Battybattybats said...

Laserlight said: "Batty, that's not against a specific person, so it's not actionable. "I'd like to shoot our politicians" isn't the same as "I'd like to shoot Senator Payola.""

Ah but it's stated against a class of people, which is what hate-crimes are suppossed to be about yes?

And it wasn't 'like to' which might denote a not-serious expression of feelling not intent. Whereas: "If I meet a woman and that turned out to be a man, that person will be in grave physical danger from me."

Is saying WILL BE. It's a threat against the first TG person they meet and against an entire class of people.

So while the specific person is as yet unidentified simply because they haven't been met yet it is a statement of threat to whoever that will be and to the entire class as anyone of them could be that person.

Don't some places hate-crime laws make criminal threatening violence to a whole class? Acts of intimidation by threats of violence directed to a community?

Blue said...

Batty,

In the US the first amendment protects freedom of speech (however objectionable). Most States don't have hate-speech laws.