Transgender issue draws controversy
On Monday the Maine Human Rights Commission may advise schools to allow transgender students to dress, play sports and choose bathrooms based on the gender they consider themselves to be, rather than the gender they were physically born.Jesus Wept. 321 comments and counting. Including some of mine.
Suffice it to say, it’s a bit controversial.
The commission argues that the proposed “guidance” it will offer Maine schools on the subject is nothing more than its interpretation of the Maine Human Rights Act and does not force schools to enact or follow its “suggestions.”
This all comes from an unpleasant little incident of 3 years ago.
State rules in favor of young transgender. I commented there too.
From Dym Sum:
"The problem started in October 2007, when the child was in the 5th grade, and arrangements were made for her to use the girl’s bathroom. Soon thereafter, a boy who had been harassing her and calling her “faggot” starting following her into the bathroom to harass her further. (The disturbing aspect of this is that the boy had his grandfather’s blessing to bother her.) After the second incident, the boy was suspended, and removed from the girl’s classroom; the girl was, then, instructed that she needed to use a single-stall restroom on the other end of the school.
Around the same time that the girl’s parents filed a complaint with the Maine Human Rights Commission, the boy’s grandfather, Paul Melanson, filed his own complaint, indicating that his grandson was also being discriminated against, that the boy had as much a right to use that girl’s bathroom as the transgender girl did, under the public accommodation provision of the Maine Human Rights Act. (For the record, the boy is heterosexual with no question about his gender identity.)
The agency ruled in favor of the girl’s right to use the restroom that was appropriate to her gender identity. They also ruled that Melanson’s grandson was not discriminated against, that he never should have been in the girls’ restroom to begin with. “Minor Student 2 was disciplined because his biological sex is male and his gender identity is male and he used the girls’ bathroom,” the investigator’s report said."
Panel defers on transgender rules for schools:
AUGUSTA, Maine — After a contentious meeting Monday that drew angry outbursts from the crowd, the Maine Human Rights Commission postponed deciding whether to give advice to schools about how to accommodate transgender students.I commented there too. A selection:
The commission decided 4-1 against taking action on proposed guidelines so that it can get more public comment.
On 3/2/10 at 7:42 AM, ZoeBrain wrote:It helps to know a little Military History, and the revered place the 20th Maine's epic battle under Chamberlain holds in Maine's iconography. Moving right along...
On 3/2/10 at 6:51 AM, savemaine wrote: so the 'rights' of a very very small percentage, are more important than the rights of the majority.
More important? No. As important? Yes, I think so. The idea of having a Constitution, and a Bill of Rights, is to ensure that no-one, anywhere, suffers from the tyranny of a persecuting majority. The great national agony of the 1860s brought that about at least, a principle paid for in blood.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.... as was said a hundred years before, but only put into practice at the point of a bayonet by the 20th Maine on Little Round Top.
Honesty - a sense of Integrity - compels me to give a disclaimer here. My objectivity has to be questionable. You see, I'm one of that "tiny, tiny minority" whose rights you see as so much less valuable than your own.
You have the power to oppress. That is unquestionable.That my mere existence causes you discomfort is also undeniable. I'm not real thrilled to have my particular genetic anomaly myself. And even if I were a great rhetorician, able to speak in the tongues of men and angels, I still would not have the right to tell you what to think. I do though have the right, and indeed the duty, to bring the facts to your attention. I think Col Joshua Chamberlain would agree.
On 3/2/10 at 8:07 AM, ZoeBrain wrote:That's just a few of the posts. I think I'm making headway, the more calm and collected I appear, and the more sheer batsh1t hysterical others seem, the more credibility I have.
On 3/2/10 at 7:08 AM, mainerep wrote:
Lets see how they like being with something strange in a locker room.
Referring to little girls and boys as "things", something not human, because of their anomalous anatomy.
On 3/2/10 at 7:11 AM, SonOfLiberty wrote:
We don't need these transgender freaks in our schools and around our children.
Even if these "freaks" are just children themselves.
On 3/2/10 at 5:29 AM, karenlite wrote
Is it sick to help a child along in school, to keep them safe by teaching tolerance and kindness?
But of course her comment was buried by separate thumbs down from the majority, those like mainerep and SonOfLiberty
On 3/2/10 at 6:51 AM, savemaine wrote:
the point here however is not about teaching our children 'tolerance and kindness' it's about making a decision that is right for the majority.
That's partially right: the choice is between teaching our children 'tolerance and kindness', or to teach them to be like the majority. To be like mainerep and SonOfLiberty.
That is your choice, and I don't have the right to tell you which of the two alternatives to choose. Just to point out that that *is* the choice you, as citizens of Maine, are making for your children here.
I'll survive no matter what you choose, my welfare is my own concern, not yours. Rather than thinking how it will affect me and those like me, I urge you to think only of how you'd like your own kids to grow up, the kind of people you'd like them to be. To be like karenlite, or SonOfLiberty. Then choose accordingly.
I just find it really difficult to credit that we're talking about where schoolkids go potty. "SonOfLiberty"... Jeez, with a name like that, what a wanker, to use the Australian vernacular. So far up himself he's coming out the other end.